Comments on: Pathways http://fractalontology.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/pathways/ refracting theory: politics, cybernetics, philosophy Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:04:27 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Robert Prince http://fractalontology.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/pathways/#comment-3042 Robert Prince Fri, 29 May 2009 11:07:25 +0000 http://fractalontology.wordpress.com/?p=1115#comment-3042 The "stability of identity" is the conscious human goal, isn't it? My identity always seems to hang on the balance between Oedipus and Anti-Oedipus, between human consciousness and unhuman unconsciousness, or between waking and dreaming. The “stability of identity” is the conscious human goal, isn’t it? My identity always seems to hang on the balance between Oedipus and Anti-Oedipus, between human consciousness and unhuman unconsciousness, or between waking and dreaming.

]]> By: Josh W http://fractalontology.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/pathways/#comment-3021 Josh W Thu, 14 May 2009 12:42:31 +0000 http://fractalontology.wordpress.com/?p=1115#comment-3021 I don't quite follow that, I thought that many forms of idealism (in the philosophical rather than pragmatic sense) focused not on the future, the "end result" of everything, but on timelessness, on what could be consistently developed and built up? This constructive attitude is very similar to your subversion, in that the past is recreated in your system in such a way that every existing pattern is given some place in your own. In other words you steal the past, because you hope to say that the form that is now in your mind was present then underlying everything. Perhaps then a drive for truth is synonymous with a rejection of time, yes there is change, yes things are left behind, but through this timeless construct, that past is present now, and the future is here also. The creation of potential energy is a phantom revealed through the symmetries in the appearance and disappearance of motion, heat etc. We say a book on a shelf is ready to fall, because it has falling power within it as potential. The creation of a timeless world that "continues to be" is likely a reflection of our self understanding of people who are still us! Thus idealism may be seen to be seeking personality behind phenomena. As I wrote this I considered you might mean the other idealism, the seeking of perfection. I'll have to think about that one. I don’t quite follow that, I thought that many forms of idealism (in the philosophical rather than pragmatic sense) focused not on the future, the “end result” of everything, but on timelessness, on what could be consistently developed and built up? This constructive attitude is very similar to your subversion, in that the past is recreated in your system in such a way that every existing pattern is given some place in your own. In other words you steal the past, because you hope to say that the form that is now in your mind was present then underlying everything.
Perhaps then a drive for truth is synonymous with a rejection of time, yes there is change, yes things are left behind, but through this timeless construct, that past is present now, and the future is here also. The creation of potential energy is a phantom revealed through the symmetries in the appearance and disappearance of motion, heat etc. We say a book on a shelf is ready to fall, because it has falling power within it as potential. The creation of a timeless world that “continues to be” is likely a reflection of our self understanding of people who are still us! Thus idealism may be seen to be seeking personality behind phenomena.

As I wrote this I considered you might mean the other idealism, the seeking of perfection. I’ll have to think about that one.

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